<p><b>This week we are continuing our rebroadcast of our first two-part mini-series on leadership and navigation and communication. </b>This is part two of that mini-series.<br /><br />This episode featured guest Brittany Hanson, a Talent Acquisition Consultant for UW Credit Union in Madison, Wisconsin. You'll hear about the time Brittany, brought humor to a strategic workplace meeting - let's just say it involved purple post its. The reality is not everyone's most authentic self meshes with their entire office. How do you keep from losing yourself when friction presents itself and to build resilience instead.<br /><br />/////<br /><b>EARN SHRM RECERTIFICATION PDCs FOR LISTENING</b><br />Honest HR podcast episodes will help you build your competencies while you earn professional development credits (PDCs) toward your SHRM-CP/SHRM-SCP recertification! The Honest HR podcast is only one of SHRM's podcast offerings. And currently, it is the only one approved for recertification PDCs.<br /><br />/////<br /><b>This episode is part 2 of a two-part series </b>on leadership and navigation, and communication. The first part of this series is "<a href="http://www.buzzsprout.com/173315/983008-entry-level-to-next-level-bouncing-back-from-feedback-and-failure-and-knowing-your-worth-feat-sam-arpino-m-s">Entry Level to Next Level: Bouncing Back from Feedback and Failure and Knowing Your Worth feat. Sam Arpino, M.S.</a>"<br /><br />/////<br /><b>When you listen to both parts of the series, you are eligible to receive PDCs for your participation. </b>All relevant details, including the Activity IDs, are provided during the podcast recording itself.</p>
This week we are continuing our rebroadcast of our first two-part mini-series on leadership and navigation and communication. This is part two of that mini-series.
This episode featured guest Brittany Hanson, a Talent Acquisition Consultant for UW Credit Union in Madison, Wisconsin. You'll hear about the time Brittany, brought humor to a strategic workplace meeting - let's just say it involved purple post its. The reality is not everyone's most authentic self meshes with their entire office. How do you keep from losing yourself when friction presents itself and to build resilience instead.
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EARN SHRM RECERTIFICATION PDCs FOR LISTENING
Honest HR podcast episodes will help you build your competencies while you earn professional development credits (PDCs) toward your SHRM-CP/SHRM-SCP recertification! The Honest HR podcast is only one of SHRM's podcast offerings. And currently, it is the only one approved for recertification PDCs.
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This episode is part 2 of a two-part series on leadership and navigation, and communication. The first part of this series is "Entry Level to Next Level: Bouncing Back from Feedback and Failure and Knowing Your Worth feat. Sam Arpino, M.S."
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When you listen to both parts of the series, you are eligible to receive PDCs for your participation. All relevant details, including the Activity IDs, are provided during the podcast recording itself.
Speaker 1:
Hey, Honest HR listeners. This week we are continuing our rebroadcast of our first two part mini series on leadership, navigation, and communication. This is part two of that mini series. It's called Authenticity, Exclamation Marks in email and Egocentrism.
On this episode, Callie is joined by Brittany Hanson, a talent acquisition consultant for UW Credit Union in Madison, Wisconsin. You'll hear about the time Brittany brought humor to a strategic workplace meeting, and let's just say it involved purple post-its. And you'll hear about how Callie keeps negative outlooks in check.
The reality is not everyone's most authentic self meshes with their entire office. They get into how to keep from losing yourself when friction presents itself and to build resilience instead. We hope you enjoy this series re-broadcast. And if you're new here, details about how you can earn SHRM re-certification PDCs for this mini series can be heard by listening to the episodes and reviewing the show notes. Enjoy.
Callie Zipple:
Hey, everyone. And welcome back to Honest HR. This is your host Callie Zipple, and I'm excited to be back for another episode here with you all. We're talking today about authenticity. And I'm really excited to have our guest with us today who actually suggested this topic.
So this is near and dear to her heart, and she will be sort of helping us understand why authenticity is so important in our development as professionals and to not lose it as we continue to grow in our careers and as, like I said before, professionals.
So Brittany, welcome to the podcast. I'm so excited, like I said, to have you as a guest and to be talking about this topic. So introduce yourself a little bit. Tell us a little bit about your background and why you're here today talking about authenticity.
Brittany Hanson:
Hey, Callie. Thanks so much and thanks for letting me be on your podcast. And before I introduce myself, I just want to give you a shout out. It's been so awesome to see all of the work that you've done with this podcast and since you've been in your role with SHRM.
You, I remember when you were volunteering with us on the WI SHRM council, and now you're doing such great, awesome things. And it's so great to see you at all of the events you're at. And I love the podcast. So just wanted to give you a little shout out there first.
Callie Zipple:
Aw, you're so sweet.
Brittany Hanson:
But so yeah, about me. So I'm originally from the Milwaukee area in Wisconsin and I live in Madison now and I work as a talent acquisition consultant at UW Credit Union. So I work at the corporate office here in Madison. I've been in my role for about six months.
And prior to that, I was in human resources at a home care company called Senior Helpers. I was there for about five years. I graduated from UW Madison with a bachelor's degree in social work, actually. So I originally wanted to be a social worker.
I think I fall under the category of a lot of the guests you've talked to that didn't initially plan to be in HR, but ended up being in HR.
I was able to go on to get my MBA as well after I graduated from UW Madison. So I got my MBA from the University of Phoenix. And I guess why I'm in HR, especially because I had initially planned to be a social worker is actually because of my first job I had in college.
I worked for a few years in kind of like a pseudo HR role at one of UW Madison's cafeterias. I helped hire and train student employees. It was the best job ever. Not only did I make lifelong friends, but I also developed great work ethic and leadership skills that really influence my career today.
I remembered my first day in that job at the cafeteria, I was a freshman in college. Didn't really know what was going on. I remember feeling really lost. So I kind of made it my mission to be a welcoming and helpful and supportive presence to the new employees that came to work at that cafeteria after me. And my love of HR just kind of blossomed from there.
Callie Zipple:
Awesome. And I, like I mentioned, you sort of came to me and suggested authenticity as a topic. So tell us why this is so near and dear to your heart and why you wanted to talk about it today for our listeners?
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah, absolutely. So there's so many reasons I would say I felt drawn to this topic. I think it's really important. I, not long ago was a young professional. I don't know if I fall into that category anymore. I'm officially in my thirties.
But not too long ago I was a young professional and I just remember feeling a lot of pressure to assimilate to workplace culture, office culture. You're trying to not only figure out how to be successful in the workplace and navigate that world, but also just kind of figuring yourself out and who you are as a young professional.
And when you're doing all of those things, trying to impress your boss and coworkers and fit in, and again, of course, do your job well, that can be tough. And I think that it can be easy to lose yourself in the process or think that you have to change things about yourself in order to be successful or in order to fit in.
And again, there's so much pressure to do that. But in my time in the working world and as I've gone through those experiences, I really think that being your authentic self is how you assimilate to workplace culture and how you can impress your boss and your coworkers and how you can succeed at work.
And once you really commit to bringing your authentic self to work, what I've found is a lot of that pressure just kind of disappears. And really, leaders and organizations are looking for authentic people.
They're not looking for a robot. So I think that's another reason why being authentic really is such a great way. And I want to say an easy way. It's not always easy. It takes time to figure it out, but just a really natural way to succeed in the workplace.
Callie Zipple:
Yeah. I would totally agree. And one of the coolest things about this conversation is that at the beginning of this year, there was a Twitter conversation that I was following about identifying your four words for 2019, and authentic was one of my four words.
And so I actually updated my LinkedIn tagline to include authentic as one of my four words. So I'm really excited that this is a conversation that we're having and that we're going to be able to sort of talk about it in the vein of using it to be successful.
So that sort of leads me to my first question. So how can we make sure that our voice is coming through as authentic as possible in our communications, both written, verbal, all of that. How can we make sure that authenticity is true to us in specifically our communications?
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah, that's a good question. And that's, I think that's a, can be a tough thing to navigate and a tough thing to figure out. I love that question, Callie, because that actually is honestly why I suggested the topic of authenticity in the first place, to talk about authentic communication.
So there's a lot of different things that are coming to my mind, but I'll try and stay focused. So I guess, what I'll do is I'll use an example of one of the reasons why I have found being an authentic communicator is so valuable.
And it's really just one simple thing, exclamation marks in emails. I think everyone has their opinions or thoughts about when people use exclamation marks in emails. And it sounds kind of simple and even a little bit silly, but anyone who's ever communicated with me via email knows that I always use exclamation marks.
In person, I'm a very expressive person. I get excited really easily when something makes me happy. I usually find myself using really exaggerated facial expressions to show my emotions. So when I'm communicating via email, which is a lot, I tend to express myself in a similar way using exclamation marks, maybe a smiley face here and there, things like that.
So early on in my career, I ran across an article that really stuck with me. The article was talking about how you shouldn't use exclamation marks in emails, that it's unprofessional or distracting. And for some reason that just stuck with me.
Callie Zipple:
It's kind of like talking with your hands, right? There are so many different ways people interpret that, but that, it's so funny that you said that.
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah. Yeah. Absolutely. Absolutely. And I think that because I naturally am expressive like that, whether it's talking with my hands or using exclamation marks in emails, that for some reason that article just over the years has comes into my mind every once in a while.
And so for a while, while sending emails in the workplace, I found myself stopping being expressive with exclamation marks or smiley faces or whatever the case may be. And I found myself kind of second guessing whether or not I should use exclamation marks.
And that would just kind of start a, like a spiral of self doubt. And it really stemmed from me trying to work against what my authentic self, who my authentic self was. And I think that it's, we can all attest to this, but it's really easy to pick up on when someone's not being sincere.
You can just tell in your gut. Especially people in HR, we just kind of know. You get a feeling. So what I learned is that when you try and cover up or hide your authentic self when you're communicating, you're just not coming off as sincere. And that can be a problem.
And I found myself struggling with that. So I guess, to answer your question, something that would be very beneficial to individuals trying to maintain authentic communication in the workplace is just to trust your gut and follow your gut.
And if you are the kind of individual who's expressive and wants to put an exclamation mark in your email, or four exclamation marks or a smiley face. Or you don't, if you're the kind of person that that's not your authentic self, and you want to communicate in a more succinct way, that you should just trust your gut.
Because when you try to work against that and you try and think about how you should communicate or how other people want you to communicate, you're going to come off as insincere. There's going to be some internal doubt in there. And you don't want to put yourself in that kind of a situation.
Callie Zipple:
And it's so funny that you say that because, so for me, my exclamation points, if exclamation points are your thing, all caps are my thing. And sometimes people read all caps as if we're screaming, right? But for me, it's excitement or I want to make sure that this one word, which I'm really proud of using is caught when the other person is reading through the emails.
And emails are so hard as it is because people interpret what you say differently. And so to your point, there's almost always going to be somebody that reads it the way that they are going to read it, regardless of what you meant to say. So you might as well lean into authenticity, right? And just sort of be you because that's going to resonate more with others than trying to please everybody.
And I think that's sort of the point of our conversation. And frankly, if we're talking email communications, I need somebody to figure out how to put gifs or gifs, however it is that you say it, I know that's different too, for everybody in emails. Because I want to communicate with that and emojis instead. So sidebar, but.
Brittany Hanson:
I agree.
Callie Zipple:
If we could figure out how to make that happen, that'd be great.
Brittany Hanson:
And I guess, one thing I want to throw out there, because I imagine some folks might be thinking, "Well, it's not always appropriate to use emojis or exclamation marks." And obviously, there's something to be said about the right place and the right time. If you're sending a formal email on an important topic to the president CEO of your company or you're [inaudible 00:13:32]
Callie Zipple:
Yeah. Or you're rolling out a policy, right? Like, okay.
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah. Exactly. Exactly.
Callie Zipple:
We wouldn't put an emoji or something in there.
Brittany Hanson:
But so there's obviously still that differentiation, but you still can and should be your authentic self in those kinds of communications. But yeah. So I think that that's one thing that, of course we're not talking about how just throw all professionalism and courtesy out the window, but to make sure that you're still, that you're not stifling your authentic self and how you want to communicate.
Callie Zipple:
Yeah. Right. Find a balance. Figure out when it makes sense to do it, when it doesn't and just be aware. Also, be aware of who you're communicating to. Because sometimes it's sort of like the iPhone to the Samsung emoji texting. So there's a story and I've probably told it on this podcast before where I've sent or somebody has sent a specific emoji to a Samsung phone from an Apple phone and it goes through as the wrong emoji.
So it's again, still with the sending of emojis or the sending of capitalized letters or exclamation points, it can be lost in translation. And so I think we just all have to be ready to have a conversation if somebody reads it differently or hears it differently or whatever, but it's always great to just default to authenticity, I think when you can.
So that leads me though to our next sort of topic of conversation, Brittany. You and I had a really good conversation about a time recently where you let your authenticity shine through in an actual business and strategic planning situation. Right? So tell us a little bit about that and sort of what you learned from it?
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah, absolutely. So I guess, in addition to me being very expressive and just generally enthusiastic in all forms of communication, I also use humor a lot. It runs in my family. Growing up, everyone was always being silly and joking and laughing and...
Callie Zipple:
Yeah, same. Humor is like my crutch, I feel like. So I definitely feel you there.
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah. I mean, it's how we manage in social situations I think, and just successfully network with people. It's a great tool to use. I think, I mean, some people see it as a defense mechanism, but I see it as a tool to use in social situations.
And like you said, if it's a crutch, that's fine. But yeah. So I use humor a lot. And the example that I have regarding how I was able to bring my authentic self into a business situation is with my current employer. So like I said before, I've been with UW Credit Union for about six months.
And about, I'd say one month after I started, my team had a strategic planning session to plan the upcoming year. So again, I was still brand new, but this was one of the first kind of like big team activities we did.
And one of the activities we did during our strategic planning session was to jot down on post-its what we felt our team's strengths were. So it was kind of like a warmup [inaudible 00:16:53]. So I wrote a handful of strengths, but I also really couldn't help myself from adding some humor to the situation.
So on this little purple post-it, I wrote style and fashion or something like that as one of my team's strengths, just to kind of put some humor in there and make people laugh. So all of our post-its were on one big sheet of paper in the front of the room. So everyone on my team saw it, had a good laugh.
It was great. And then we moved on. So keep in mind too, I'm still new to this organization. So I haven't gone through the strategic planning process there. This is my first time. So a few weeks later my manager tells me that all of the HR leaders came together to share their team's strategic planning materials.
And that included my silly little post-it that said style and fashion, along with all of the other post-its and all of the other planning activities that we did. And luckily he said, "Everyone appreciated the humor and had a good laugh."
So for a split second I was a little worried like, "Oh gosh, all of the managers saw that." But I didn't really worry about it. It seemed like everyone had a good laugh and it was fine. But then we proceeded to have two more strategic planning sessions with our entire HR team, our HR director, the VP of HR, serious brainstorming and planning sessions for the new year for our organization, really important stuff.
And there's my little purple post-it that says style and fashion, just following me everywhere I go. I mean, literally the strategic planning process was so great that all of the work we did from the beginning stayed with us throughout the process so we didn't lose sight of it.
But my humor that I brought into our initial planning session kind of followed me all the way through. And I have to admit even being the authenticity champion that I try to be, I started doubting myself a little bit, thinking, "Oh gosh, they're never going to take me seriously.
They're probably wondering where they hired me. They don't think I'm taking this seriously." So I will admit I'm human and those thoughts popped in my head. But when everything was said and done my little bit of humor didn't deter the team from what we set out to do.
And I believe that not only did it reinforce who I am as a unique, authentic member of the team, but I think they appreciated it, the little dash of humor thrown in the mix and it was a good learning experience for me.
I really did throw my authentic self into a place where it otherwise may have been seen as unprofessional or unnecessary. And again, I'm human. I started questioning myself a little bit, but just quickly realized I had to remain confident in myself and who I am and really be confident that my authenticity is the reason I was hired, the reason I do my job well, and that that is ultimately what matters.
Callie Zipple:
Yeah. And I think the reason I think it's so great that you shared that is because you read the audience, right? The audience was your team. You knew that you all have good fashion, you have good style sense. And you were ready though, once that did go to the larger audience for the consequences too.
So you were ready to have conversations if somebody came back and was, "Maybe next time don't be as forward in your humor" or whatever. But I just think it's so great that you found a way to remain who you are in a situation like that, and that you didn't necessarily get a negative feedback around it.
And I'll share a similar story or a similar recent experience that I had with sharing my authentic self. We have a lot of team meetings with my current team here and we try to finish with a positive.
So I would suggest for those who have team meetings or run team meetings to absolutely find a way to finish on a positive note with your team. It's a great way to end meetings, especially if they're either a little bit difficult or the message that you're sharing isn't great. Ending on a positive is always great.
I am not a positive person. I am a glass half empty person. So for me to end on a positive, I always, it takes me far longer to find positive in a situation than a lot of other individuals on my team. And I always make sure to share how difficult it is for me to participate in that conversation.
But it's also a way for me to build as a professional or as a team member. So I appreciate being able to flex in those situations and be pushed in such a way where I have to find the positivity in a situation rather than defaulting to negativity.
Which actually segues really well into our last part of the conversation here, Brittany, because we talked about this a little bit and you mentioned it just now in your last comment.
There are going to be times when our authentic self just doesn't vibe with the people that we're working with or individuals that we have to deliver content to, or our people that we support within our businesses. Right? So how can we build up our own resiliency to stay authentic and not necessarily lose ourself to the haters, right? The haters out there.
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah.
Callie Zipple:
Among us.
Brittany Hanson:
Yes. I love this. Yeah. Good question. So the first thing that comes to my mind when I think about this, and when I think about trying to develop something that helps us build up our resiliency to stay authentic, like you said, Callie, it's actually something that I learned in psych class in college.
And again, I didn't get a psych degree. Like I said, I kind of got a social work degree and I work in HR. But I remember this term and this concept that I learned and it's adolescent egocentrism, I think is what it's called.
But, and essentially what that term is, is describing the stage of development when adolescents start thinking that everyone is paying attention to their every move, everyone's looking at them, everyone cares about them, kind of like that stereotypical, I don't know, maybe we have of being an adolescent, being a teenager.
So the reason why this ties into what you asked is because it really is my personal opinion, just my opinion that this, even though this phenomenon begins occurring in adolescence, it doesn't go away completely for a very long time. And even through college and as young professionals. We put so much pressure on ourselves to do well and impress our colleagues and fit in because I think we have a little bit of that egocentrism lingering.
And we think our managers, our coworkers are hanging on our every move and just waiting for us to mess up or waiting for us to do something wrong. But in reality, that's totally not the case and they're just as focused on themselves and their work and their world as we are. So I think it's helpful to remember that it's just human nature for people to focus on themselves.
So if you are going to communicate in a way that's authentic to you and you are worried it not vibing with somebody or somebody thinking a certain about you, to just remember that when you think people are judging you or thinking about you at work, nine times out of 10, they're probably not. They're probably thinking about what's going on in their world.
And they read your email, they listened to your presentation, they looked over your project. And then they moved on to the 10 million other things they have to do at work and the five million other things they have to do at home. And once I realized that, and I don't know if that egocentrism does kind of go away with age, but once I realized that, once it clicked for me, I really just felt such relief and such freedom to be my authentic self.
And I think everyone should just move through the world as their authentic self. Other people will benefit from your authenticity. But ultimately, again, they aren't hyper focused on us, they're focused on themselves.
So you are really the one. You, being the person that's being your authentic self, are the one that benefits from being authentic at work. When you don't hold back, you feel more confident, you're able to excel in your job, you can be innovative, you can inspire others. You can do so many great things when you just let yourself be who you are truly.
Callie Zipple:
Well, and it allows for you to focus on other things too, right? Because I can't tell you how exhausting it is to sometimes be somebody you're not. And I know that we all have experience with that. So I don't think what I'm saying is really going to be an earth shattering realization for everybody.
But we've all gone into situations where we act like someone we're not. And I, speaking from experience, go home 10 times more tired than I am when I show up as my authentic self, because I'm allowing my brain to focus on other things rather than making sure that I'm trying to be somebody I'm not.
I mean, that is just so exhausting. So I think everything you're saying is right. And like you just said, it allows for us to be a better professional and focus on things that we want to do professionally when we're not having to think about who we have to maintain, if it's not our true, authentic selves. Right?
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah, absolutely. I agree completely.
Callie Zipple:
And I think the other thing I'll add too, I said it before, I'm a glass half empty kind of person. And I love your idea of, because we always, we're a culture that asks for feedback or gives feedback regularly. It's our own sort of double edged sword. Right?
We want the feedback, but as soon as we get it, it hurts sometimes. So if you're like me, you read it, you take it to heart, you sometimes have a good cry about it. Right? And then you move on because the person that provided that feedback has probably to your point already moved on as well.
So if you can be comfortable with who you are and you feel like you're bringing that person, the true, authentic person to the right conversations at the right times, and you're not offending anybody with that authenticity, then you've done what you're supposed to for that day and for that engagement and that interaction, right?
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah. Yes, absolutely. And I think one additional thing I'll share Callie, that I've kind of learned and picked up on again, over time and over the years of being my authentic self and communicating in an authentic way is I've found that it really does have, people pick up on it and people pick up on it in a positive way.
And it really has a positive impact on people. And I'm communicating in my authentic manner just because that's how I communicate, that's how I express myself. And sometimes it physically hurts to not add seven exclamation marks in an email if I'm excited about something or happy about something.
And I found people will comment to me, "Yeah, you're just, you're so upbeat, Brittany. And we really appreciate that you're your authentic self and your positivity is great." And just little comments like that. I kind of store them in the back of my head like, okay, people are picking up on this and it's hopefully benefiting people how I'm communicating.
And again, it could be the same thing for somebody who communicates in a different way. If someone communicates authentically in just a brief, to the point succinct way, that might really benefit people. And people might say to them, "Thank you for your clear communication.
It's really helpful." So people pick up on it. And if you just let yourself communicate in an authentic way, like you said, you might have the haters, but more often you're going to have people who see the authenticity and appreciate it.
Callie Zipple:
Yeah. It's the saying your vibe attracts your tribe, right? If you are coming to a conversation or to an event or to whatever, as your authentic self, you're going to create relationships at that event or wherever you are that you want to maintain.
And you'll be able to maintain them at a much lower output level. Because again, you're not having to pretend you're somebody you're not for an extended period of time. You get to be yourself, you get to attract the people that you know will vibe with who you are.
And I think that's so much more refreshing and important than being somebody you're not. So Brittany, I incredibly appreciate the time that we've spent together. Is there anything that we missed or that you want to add for our listeners regarding the topic of authenticity before we close it out?
Brittany Hanson:
Yes, absolutely. So I have to give a major shout out to where I work, UW Credit Union. I know I'm really fortunate to work for an employer that really encourages and embraces authenticity. And I know that it's not always the case necessarily with every organization.
So there might be people listening who are thinking, "My organization might not support this" or whatever the case may be. So we know that, and I think it's still so important to stay true to your authentic self.
I do realize that I'm fortunate that my employer just makes it so easy. But I would say for those that might not be in an organization or in an environment that supports it that much to just really still stay true to yourself as much as you can. Because it's so important.
Callie Zipple:
I would agree. And I'm at an organization also that allows for me to be as authentic as possible. And I've been at organizations that don't necessarily encourage that.
And I found outlets to allow for my authentic self to still be something that I thought about on a regular basis and leaned into when I could, or when it was appropriate, such as volunteering or finding other YP groups to sort of meet up with and have a drink or play some ping pong or do whatever it is that allows for your authentic self to shine through if you're not at an organization to Brittany's point that allows for that to be a day to day thing in your professional world.
So again, Brittany, thank you so much for coming on the podcast. If somebody wants to reach out and sort of continue the conversation with you, how can they reach out or connect?
Brittany Hanson:
Yeah, sure. I would love if anyone wants to connect or has any questions or thoughts to share. So I have a common name, so you can certainly try and find me on LinkedIn, Brittany Hanson.
I have my credentials in there, MBA, PHR. I think there are about 200 Brittany Hansons on LinkedIn. I'm in Madison, Wisconsin. But I can also give my email, it's letter B as in Brittany and then my last name Hanson, hanson@uwcu.org.
Callie Zipple:
And it's Brittany Hanson. And you work at UW Credit Union in Madison, Wisconsin for all of those following along at home.
Brittany Hanson:
Yes. Correct.
Callie Zipple:
Great. Well, thank you again, Brittany. Again, this is your host Callie. I'm on LinkedIn Callie Zipple, Twitter and Instagram at SHRM Callie Z. For those that haven't been out there for a little while, go out to our SHRM.org/honesthr or SHRM.org/honesthr website.
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So make sure that you go out there again at SHRM.org/honesthr. And we look forward to hearing from you. If you again, want to reach out it's Callie Zipple at SHRM Callie Z on pretty much all platforms. Thanks again for coming out and we will catch you next time on another episode of Honest HR.
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